Welby and Hiltz discuss sexuality and reconciliation

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When Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby met with the primate, Archbishop Fred Hiltz, he was “very interested” in the work of the Anglican Church of Canada’s commission on the marriage canon because of the reality that the Church of England will have to wrestle with the issue of same-sex marriage following its legislation in the U.K.

“Notwithstanding the declared position of the Church of England at this moment, he [Welby] is very conscious, of course, that there’s going to be a fair amount of pressure from within the Church of England to at least have some discussion around that [same-sex marriage],” said Hiltz in an interview with the Anglican Journal. “He hoped that we would stay in touch over the work of the commission, [because] inside the Church of England, they will need to have the same conversation.”

Here we have a rare example of a clear statement by an Archbishop of Canterbury. The Church of England will be following in the Anglican Church of Canada’s footsteps: conversations about same-sex blessings; decline in attendance; dioceses performing same-sex blessings; further decline in attendance; conversations about same-sex marriage; full steam ahead to extinction:

During their two-hour meeting April 8, Hiltz said Welby was interested in how the church has dealt with the conflict over human sexuality, in particular, how the 2010 General Synod in Halifax dealt with the issue in a non-parliamentary manner and how there has been “continuing conversation” about the matter. Hiltz quoted Welby as having said, “You’re actually on the frontline of where we’re going to be eventually. You’ve been on a journey; it hasn’t been an easy [one]— it has been conflicted at times, but you stuck with it.”

The Anglican Church of Canada has indeed been on the frontline of dealing with “the conflict over human sexuality”: it sues those who refuse to go along with it. I suppose this is “interesting”; the fact that Welby believes that that is where the CofE is “going to be eventually” should make orthodox CofE clergy very nervous.

Hiltz said he informed Welby about the Canadian church’s long history of “bending over backwards to hold people in dialogue, to create provisions for everybody to stay in the fold…”

Considering the number of defections from the ACoC to ANiC, these provisions have been spectacularly ineffective.

Overall, Hiltz described Welby’s visit as “good,” saying that he thought it provided the Archbishop of Canterbury “a sense of the commitment of the Canadian church to the Communion.”

Not sufficiently committed to pay any attention whatsoever to Provinces that are opposed to same-sex blessings.

Hiltz said that the dinner he hosted for Welby was an opportunity for him to meet “a host of people from Canada who are so deeply committed to the various works of the Anglican Communion…to get a sense [that they] have a broad, global view of the church.”

To invite ANiC church leaders would have been a diversity too far, of course.

 “One of the blessings of the visit is that he has heard things about all of us and says we’re very diverse, even within our church…,” said Hiltz. “He was leaving us knowing of our deep commitment to preserving the unity of the church as best we can, being prophetic as best we can, being committed to the life and witness of the Communion.”

To put it more plainly: the Anglican Church of Canada continues on a course of theological liberalism; it has no inclination to change direction but is willing to offer the  concession of a dense smoke screen designed to lure the unwary into believing that it cares about what those who disagree think.

6 thoughts on “Welby and Hiltz discuss sexuality and reconciliation

  1. David – I asked this in another post as I’m not sure of the answer. Does ANiC want to be formally part of the worldwide Anglican communion? I personally don’t see a reason why they shouldn’t be but I had assumed that ANiC did not want to join.

    I thought this for two reasons:
    1. It includes liberal-leaning churches like ACoC which ANiC just left and
    2. Your posts are normally critical of Welby.

    However, your comments about Welby not inviting ANiC to meetings and a previous comment by AMP_Anglican suggest that ANiC/ACNA does indeed want to join.

    If you know, can you clarify as I actually don’t know ANiC’s stance on this. Do they want to formally be recognized/member (I don’t know the actual term) of the Anglican Communion?

    Thanks.

    • Although I have my own opinion on this, I don’t represent ANiC, nor do I know what ANiC’s official position is – or even if it has one.

      I would point out, though, that ANiC is in communion with about 70% of the world’s Anglicans, and the ACoC is in communion with the remaining 30%. Both the 30 and 70% are in Communion with Canterbury; is this inconsistent? Possibly, but I think that will be resolved at some point.

      For my part, I think Canterbury will become increasingly irrelevant and I’m indifferent as to whether it recognises ANiC or not; that is not to say that I think Canterbury has no obligation to recognise ANiC. I think Canterbury should.

    • Good Morning EdAnglican,
      Please do not view my postings as any type of representation of ANiC, ACNA, nor any other organization or person. As a Layman I can claim to speak only for myself.
      Sincerely,
      Allan

      • Hi Allan. I don’t. You (and David) had made comments in your post which appeared to assume the opposite of me: about ANiC’s intention of joining the Anglican communion.
        Your comment made me realize that my assumptions may have been wrong so I thought that I’d find out what exactly ANiC wanted. Based on the (lack of) comments so far, it appears that nobody here actually knows if ANiC wants to formally join the Anglican Communion.

  2. The issue is not whether ANIC wants to be or is indeed part of the Anglican Communion. From my viewpoint it is indeed part of the true Anglican Communion. What we are witnessing is an attempt by apostates such as Fred Hiltz and other so-called bishops to pervert the Gospel and force the communion to worship political expediency rather that adhere to the two mandatory requirements to be a Christian:-
    1. Full acceptance of the authority of Scripture; and
    2. Full recognition of the uniqueness of Jesus Christ.
    The ACoC has clearly abandoned our Lord in its support of actions by apostate so-called bishops to legally steal properties from genuine Christians – properties which the dioceses concerned made NO contribution whatever.
    If the Anglican Communion falls in line with the apostates there is every reason for ANIC to abandon any desire to be part of the Communion. The time has long sinced past for the ABC to make a firm statement in support of the Gospel.

  3. Good analysis David, i.e. that you don’t really know what ++Welby means much of the time. I confess I am often in the same position.

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