I’ve been meaning to say that for a while.
He doesn’t believe in the bodily Resurrection of Jesus
He doesn’t believe in the Virgin Birth
He doesn’t believe in the Divinity of Jesus
He doesn’t believe in the uniqueness of Jesus or that Jesus is the only way to the Father
He is not a Christian.
Ya finally twigged !
It is my humble opinion that the three ancient Creeds (Nicene, Apostles, St. Athanasius’s) as stated in Article VIII of the 39 Articles of Religion, and as printed in the Book of Common Prayer, are together and combined the definition of being a Christian.
If the above statements are true and accurate, than the conclusion is inescapable, and Mr. Ingham should be removed from the Office of Bishop!
Michael Ingham, on the face of his own declarations and actions, is not a Christian, much less a minister in Holy Orders. The fact that he has continued to enjoy the benefits of the title he holds is a disgrace to the Anglican Church of Canada, and to the Church of God at large. He is not a bishop, nor a priest, nor a minimal Christian. He claims to the element of love to be the motivation for his sins. Really? He would not last 2 seconds in the AOC or any other Church who clings to the authority of Scripture.
Tragically the Primate and the other members of the House of Bishops are either allowing the House of Bishops to operate like an ‘OLD BOY’S CLUB’ or are prepared to allow the ACoC to continue its rapid descent into apostasy and irrelevance. I can only ask when are the claimed orthodox bishops going to challenge and appropriately discipline apostasy??
I do indeed pray for their conversion and repentance but that seems highly unlikely from the fact that they are not prepared to challenge the seizure of properties of orthodox parishes.
I was going to post a comment about how the vestige of the orthodox should rise up and widely publish the names of all heretical bishops and priests a send copies to the banks with a call upon said vestige to blackball these heretics by with holding their offerings. This might stir the worried banking fraternity into calling their notes and bring this whole rotten mess down. The I realized I was dreaming. It’s over. The banks will have to deal with their own losses as they try to recoup by selling off useless buildings.
You seem to have a very narrow definition of “Christian”. As I recall Jesus said, “By their fruits you shall know them.” What have you done for the poor and voiceless lately? Is your attack on the bishop motivated by love or because he has a broader view of doctrine than you?
For the information of Mr. Worc, I have labored without cost to my church, spent my personal funds to fund scholarships to the poor students of my local parish, paid much of the expense of my church in upkeep, etc. I am not boasting for these are not of any worth compared to those things Christ has done for me. Whatever good we do is not our own worth or merit, but that of Christ working in and through us. I see none of that in Ingham. He certainly has a “broader view of doctrine” than I have – and even far broader than that doctrine of Christ revealed in Holy Writ! That which Christ condemns, Ingham praises. Whose company would you prefer to share in the coming glory of Christ?
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:20 (KJV)
If you read Ingham’s book, Mansions of the Spirit he says right at the beginning that he had a “conversion experience” while a guest of a Hindu family in India. And the book certainly reflects that. The book indicates that he believes all religions are equivalent (a very Hindu concept) and that he is “Christian” because he uses Christian metaphors and cultural memes to express this universal religion.
People with even a smattering of education will note that this is not even close to what Jesus preached.
How true and common sense, Michael. Ever few epochs, a great fool is born! Such a fool might consider Ingham a Christian, or at the same time, an pious pagan. It ignorance of those who could consider Ingham a Christian is baffling to the n-th degree.
Thanks for that insight Michael. I was wondering what would make him change his tune about Christ and biblical authority. His “conversion experience” was obviously the answer.
Motes and beams, people. Let’s look to our own souls a bit, possibly?
If you still believe, Vincent, a man who refutes Scriptural truth is Christian, perhaps you no longer have eye sockets into which to insert a pole!
Scriptural truth is always, always interpreted. Liberal theologians do it, conservative theologians do it. It is impossible to read Scripture without interpreting it. That is, in fact, the nature of language. And indeed the nature of reality. I’m just saying that I’ll take a dude who tries to be nice, regardless of what theological debates I may want to have with him, over someone whose defining features seem to be judgement and anger.
So, how do YOU interpret the following, Vincent: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” (Lev 18:22) or,
“26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (Romans 1:26-28)
There are many more such verses where those came from……Perhaps today is, as my son used to say, “opposites day?”
1. Fascinating that as far as the OT is concerned, lesbianism seems perfectly fine.
2. Paul never spoke against slavery, indeed speaks of it as the natural order of things. Yet we’ve done away with slavery.
3. Christ himself never said a word about homosexuality.
4. Christ, however, said a great deal about being nice to others.
So as a Christian, I’d rather err on the side of kindness. God can sort me out one way or the other later. I’ll gladly discuss it with Him, He gave me a brain to use. I wish you well.
Sure, Vincent. Simply cut out those verses with which you are not pleased, and add meaning where it suits your proclivities. I am sure God will sort it out sooner or later…or perhaps you may need to exercise your veto power at the White Throne?
Dear Vincent:
I am sorry to seem cold in my response, but I grow weary of constantly defending the simplest of truths expressed in Scripture. May I ask your age? I have lived many years (70 to be exact) and I have witnessed so many travesties in the church that simply would have been obscene in my youth. We may have a ‘generation gap’ but I consider there to be none in Holy Writ.
I hope you will only accept my critical comments as an effort to be constructive and not destructive.
Jerry
Hey, Bishop, we’re supposed to focus on removing sticks from eyes, not sticking them in. You’re sounding angry.
Thanks, Michael, for the reminder, however, anger is justified when the scribes and pharisees follow Christ to undermine all that He taught and said. I have experienced a righteous indignation for a very long time. I’m sure Jesus expressed anger when He drove these mockers out of the Temple, or when He referred to them as a “generation of vipers.” Such talk is not so politically correct and may upset the sensibilities of the effeminate, but Christ spoke the words nonetheless.
I am angered to see the counsel of Christ stood on its head by careless, peudo liberals who have both doctrinal feet firmly planted in the air.
I have sinned, and will sin again, just as everyone on this forum; but I do not ADVOCATE sin! There is a difference, you know.
Rather than piping down, I will speak out ever more boldly as the supposed ministers of God embrace abortion, homosexuality, and every other vile and indecent behavior. “Be ye angry, and sin not.” Eph 4:26 I am not angry without a cause, but I AM angry.
Sorry for the long diatribe.
Have read Mansions of the Spirit, Rites for a New Age and been told about Hans Kung, John Dominic Crossan who’ve inspired the first book.
Worse yet, gossip has it that Michael once attended Harvard – that den of iniquity!
http://www.whitenationalism.com/ms/ms-50.htm